thanks andy_george. I agree, the plastics do seem cheap on the Savana and the doors sound like crap when closing them. My Savana has a 6.0 liter V8 and it's pretty powerful, but I'm sure I'd be happy with the power of the NVP. I'm pretty much sold on buying the NVP, just hard to find one anywhere near me. Looks like I'll have to travel out of state. I'm looking for the SL with 25,000 miles or less for $30,000ish. Thanks again!