It just so happens that we conceived child #7 at a fireman's banquet in February. My wife's suburban seats 8 and mine seats 9. The kids are on the tall side and the Subs are a bit cramped. So the mrs found this NV box looking van after I started pricing 15 passenger E350s and Express 3500s. It turns out that she's been doing "drive-bys" at the local Nissan dealer. I found out on a run to the mall with her last week, so since I was driving I said that we ought to stop in and have a look. We didn't drive it but the interior looks and feels far and above the "domestic" choices. It turns out this thing is a domestic product, body (box) and engine. Not sure about the transmission and other components. I suppose I'll call the dealer back tomorrow and see if the "commercial" division will take trade ins, 2. No sense keeping my 3/4 ton Sub if I'm gonna buy a 1 ton van. I think my only concern, besides reliability, is how they handle in the snow - it's nice to have the 4WD 6 months of the year. And the fact that it won't fit in the garage. I wonder if the color red would make this thing look a little prettier. Any haggling advice is appreciated. Dave, Lakeville, MN