Where is the 2017 section at?

[breeze]

I don't know if they are out yet. The Nissan Salesman seemed to indicate they are, but I could have just heard what I wanted to hear.

 

There must be a few people waiting on the 2017 3500 v8/7sp high roof with better drag coefficient (but garage limited too.) I haven't seen any test ride comparisons yet: just Nissan reviews reedited. I wonder what the hold up could be? All the components are hopefully tried and true since powertrain was introduced in 2016 Titan model.

[ASD Dad]

Nobody has one or has driven one.  One very large commercial dealer on here posted his first wasnt due to arrive until mid Jan at the earliest (Chris Commercial Manager).

 

Less than one year of very limited sales is not tried and true by a long shot.  The new V8 came out well after the Cummins and is brand new from top to bottom along with the 7 speed.  Down here is truck country with tons of pickups including foreign models like the older Titan and lots of Tundras.  I have seen exactly 2 Titans on the road that were not dealer tags and both of those were the Cummins.  I thought our NV's were rare to see but Titans are much harder to find!  

 

I was actually in line to get the new NV at my dealer, I really wanted the extra power, TQ and the 7 speed.  8% improvement is not much of anything for MPG and they gimped the motor specs compared to the Titan for some reason.  I'll pass.

[breeze]

The Titan does have about .02 better drag coefficient, so that should be a mile or a couple better gas mileage than the high top and a few better than the low top. 8% better efficiency for 56/319= 18% more hp with a HD 7 sp  trans is no small potatoes in my book. I guess the Titan production volume was overestimated by me, but the research to break into the US truck market by Nissan was a significant investment and effort, which almost duplicated it's effort into the NV market for almost free too. The Titan looked pretty good to me, except for a concentrated propaganda effort against the Titan for the US's last stronghold in trucking. Ford is going to extremes for it's lighter weight, and I see big problems ahead in unbalanced design efforts that are too quick and drastic for their worth. I never did care for GM, and Dodge/Ram have their design problems in transmissions. IF I wanted a big pu truck, I'd sure consider the Titan. But for a Tall Van, the 2017 NV CV tall V8 is the theoretical best in my book in frame and powertrain and quality. For a small van, the Dodge city van seems like it is hard to beat; but it is hard to compare just the NV van alone, I can't really say on any other size of truck configuration. I am looking at design flaws mainly to reject makes and models: systemic flaw analysis of critical value variables.

 

As well, I may have overstated my model choice's worth too. But it's not an oversized step from the quality levels they are at for similar production, so it seems quite achievable to meet my expectations. I'd be happy with the current models, and am confident in a Japanese powerhouse company to keep doing what it has done for decades in producing a quality vehicle within specs. Good model run vehicles make significant improvements about every 5 or so years, and 2017 3500 NV CV Tall is that model for me. OEM's seem to put extra quality details in the first innovative improvement model years to help capture markets, in American models anyway. Those are my reasons and rationales anyway (and I need one asap too :-)

Edited January 10, 2017 by breeze

[ASD Dad]

breeze - I have to commend you in your unwavering pursuit of max MPG in a tank like the NV.  There was another person, maybe others, that were also in max pursuit and did things like sealing the gaps around the bumpers and looking into side skirts and other aero bits to help out.  That giant grill opening certainly doesnt help but in 100* temps I can haul a 7000# camper up mountains and the engine and transmission temp never gets out of hand.  

 

You can certainly do many small things to help the NV get better mileage.  In the end it is still a very heavy beast of a vehicle meant to haul cargo - be it people or items.  Never underestimate the power of your right foot.  I can baby my van at 55 mph and make sure to coast to a stop or turns or accelerate very gently.  Doing that I coaxed 19 mpg once.  I even managed over 21 for several miles!  In day to day driving it just isnt worth it to me to drive like that.  I used to constantly monitor my Bully Dog readout trying to make sure it stayed "green" for driving economy.  Now I just dont care, it isnt worth the hassle to coax that 0.5 to maybe, possibly 1mpg difference from just driving it like I want to!

 

Just look to the mpg posts on this site or any other car/truck site.  The actual stats are all over the place for the exact same make and model vehicle that is bone stock.  More can be done for MPG using your driving habits and right foot than can be done with small mods.  The small mods just eek out that last percentage out.

 

The new motor and 7 speed should definitely do better than the old motor and 5 speed.  Just laws of physics.  If you can cruise at 65 mph with the engine turning lower RPM without it lugging down you will get better mileage.  Just dont expect miracles!

[breeze]

No word yet on 2017 NV v8 w/7sp trans? It is past mid month, and the busy Nissan dealer here never called after I left my info looking for a 2017 NV 3500 (supposed to be in last week - Mid month??) There are a few bottom feeder dealers who advertise on Google, but they don't have any in 2017 NV v8 stock either.

 

Maybe Nissan is first-serve to Commercial clients which I can understand. The only hard part is differentiating the 2017 NV 3500 from earlier models since they assumingly will look the exact same, unless they have a new model badge.

 

I'd really like to see a "Hands-on" comparison review between the NV 3500, a transit Med Tall 3.5L econoboost, and a new Dodge van. Unless it's at least 5K miles, the Transit's frame might not be bent yet (from lifting it up) effecting alignments and the Dodge underrated transmission might still be working. Still, a truck review comparison should be favorable for the new 2017 NV V8 w/ 7sp trans economy-wise speaking. I have never been a full size pickup truck customer before, but if I were, the new Titan V8 w/7sp trans really looks tight (in Pearl White!) I am expecting a big shift in the tall van marketplace, since Transit and Dodge Van owners probably do not like sitting at the Dealers service lounge frequently for the same reasons over and over(!).

Edited January 25, 2017 by breeze

[breeze]

http://www.rocklandnissan.com/vehicles.cfm/make/nissan/model/nv-cargo-nv3500-hd/year/2017/level/USC70NIV171A0/

 

Well, here's a dealer update in the header that says Late 2/17 for 2017 NV3500 Cargo S V8. Page down to the bottom of the link's page and they show all model 2017 NV 3500's due Late (month?) 2/17; and the one I like, the SV 3500 Tall is right at $35K (minus bonus and disabled Vet discount, $34K maybe.) So for planning purposes, 2/28/17 with tall van comparisons around mid Feb/17 hopefully. What a deal!

[NVAir]

Not the NV, but here is one towing test of the Titan 1500 with the new 5.6, 7-speed tranny, and a 9,000 lb trailer.

 

 

Best I can tell the Titan weighs between 5,900 and 6,000 lbs, so about 200-300 lbs less than the cargo NV.  Not enough to make a difference.

 

I know most people don't drive like in these videos, but it's still worthy of a watch in my opinion.  At least for those of us that will be towing a trailer.

[NVAir]

duplicate post.

Edited February 15, 2017 by NVAir

[NVAir]

Looking into this more it seems the Titan has a 2.92 final drive whereas the NV has 3.36. That should help the NV tow a bit better.