Chris_CommercialManager

As a non tax id client you can get the $500 under any scenario, if the dealership tells you anything other than that they it's probably a lack of understanding of the programs.  You WILL get the $500 if going through your credit union.

So obviously I'm in the car business.  Personally I buy almost all of my cars used as well.  However I'm in and out in a year.  My commercial vehicles and clients are a different story and for 99% of my commercial clients (business's) it makes a lot of sense to buy new.  There are some scenarios where buying new does make sense and my personal opinion is that your is one of them.  Not only are you paying up for a used car (high resale values) but you stated your basically going to drive it to the ground.  In that scenario (for me) I'd buy new, probably for no other reason than I would have owned it since new.  I would know I broke it in right.  Drove it easy, changed oil at 500mi and 1500 mi (because that's what I do  :) )  etc etc.  To me, it's piece of mind.  If it were a 10k spread i get it, take the money and run.  Just my .02.  I'm sure you'll do what's right!  Good luck, you will love the van, uber reliable, great ride, on and on and on ;)  

So i did some looking, looks like I'm slated for my first V8 mid January.  

Chris

Thanks for the info.  Is this for the 2017 model?  If so, do you know when the 2017's will be hitting stores?

yes, 2017 model year.  We just started being able to order 17's.  I would guess 100 days out, maybe a little less.  No promise that the new v8 will hit then but we will see the 6's for sure soon.  V8 should not be far behind.

I've polished nearly every make of car known.... Tons of Fords, GM, Hondas, Nissan. The tiny rust specs appear on everything I've ever seen. It has nothing to do with the steel, but it's just tiny metallic specs that land on the clear coat and oxidize, in my opinion. The rear of vehicles seems to be the most prevalent, behind the rear wheels and above the rear bumper where the air turbulence kicks lots of garbage up. That's what I've seen to be true in Michigan at least.

 

They can usually be removed with a fingernail, clay bar, Polish, etc, but always return. Frequent washing and polishing makes hem disappear much easier :)

This is true.  And to add to the problems, most I ever hear a snicker about is a backup sensor or something one off.  I don't know of any re occuring issue with any of the products in the commercial line up I sell.  My customers return for that very reason.  These vans are VERY stout.

I have been doing some calculations and it all boils down to the discount that can be received on the new or used.  If I can get out the door at 37k like a few have, new is probably the way to go.  If the 35k used one can be gotten for 31k, then that is a different story.  At that point. I would be paying 6k for 1yr of warranty.   With new, I can shop dealers.  With used, I have found 1 in stock in all of Florida that fits our criteria. 

 

I don't know how one could be 37k O.T.D. on a new SL unless you are a business customer and have a tax ID and can get rebates a normal consumer without one can't.  I'm not going to talk numbers, and I don't know taxes where everyone lives but I will say this.  I am the 3rd largest NV dealer in the country meaning I can afford to work on narrower margins than most anyone else, if you don't have a tax ID, and if you happen to be somewhere where you pay 0 sales tax, that number makes no business sense and is not attainable.  In regards to resale, there have NEVER been large rebates on this vehicle, which is why resale is high (especially when comparing to domestics that offer huge rebates and devalue the used market in doing so).  If you are fortunate to be paying cash in your purchase this is irrelevant but please remember on the difference of new and used you will be paying different interest rates as well, so the gap you are looking at may very well narrow.

In my market, it makes very little sense to buy a used NVP with 25k on it, resale is too high.  I get calls about them all of the time and I tell people quite frankly that I don't bring them into my store.  Resale is simply too high, when you look at the interest rate difference and the spread in price it makes no sense not to buy new.  80k-100k miles and a few years old is a different story, not everyone can afford a new vehicle price and then maybe it makes sense as opposed to other alternatives in that price range.  Best of luck on your hunt!!

This is a duplicate post, if a moderator notices this, please delete the other one, it was in the wrong area.

Here is some info.  Have barely had time to be on here, business is insanely good!!!  In addition to the below, it will be mated to a 7 speed trans.  Before anyone asks, I don't think I'll have pricing info.  As for MPG, word is it will be better than the available v6 right now.  But of course with no EPA rating it will be some time, in the hands of real users before I can at least get some real first hand data.  Cheers guys, hope everyone is doing well for the holidays!!!

ENGINE/MOTOR

5.6-liter DOHC 32-valve V8 engine updated

The new VK56VD takes advantage of advanced engine technology to provide more power and higher fuel efficiency than the previous-generation gasoline engine. The engine produces 375 hp @ 5800 rpm and 387 lb-ft of torque @ 4000 rpm.

Notable engine features include:

• Lightweight components such as aluminum-alloy engine block and cylinder heads, which improve performance, fuel efficiency, and emissions control by reducing engine weight and allowing the engine to warm up more quickly.
  
• Continuously Variable Valve Timing Control System (CVTCS), which varies intake and exhaust valve timing continuously to help improve power, driveability, and fuel economy and reduce emissions.
  
• Variable Valve Event and Lift (VVEL®), which continuously varies intake valve lift to enhance acceleration, increase fuel efficiency, and reduce exhaust emissions. It works in conjunction with CVTCS.
  
• Direct Injection Gasoline (DIG), which injects highly pressurized fuel directly into the combustion chamber of each cylinder to enhance engine power, increase fuel efficiency, and reduce exhaust emissions.
  
• An electronically controlled Multi-Control Valve, which provides flexible management of water temperature to the engine, throttle chamber, transmission fluid cooler and heater, heater, and radiator to help enhance warm-up, cooling, emissions, and fuel economy.
  

Here is some info.  Have barely had time to be on here, business is insanely good!!!  In addition to the below, it will be mated to a 7 speed trans.  Before anyone asks, I don't think I'll have pricing info.  As for MPG, word is it will be better than the available v6 right now.  But of course with no EPA rating it will be some time, in the hands of real users before I can at least get some real first hand data.  Cheers guys, hope everyone is doing well for the holidays!!!

ENGINE/MOTOR

5.6-liter DOHC 32-valve V8 engine updated

The new VK56VD takes advantage of advanced engine technology to provide more power and higher fuel efficiency than the previous-generation gasoline engine. The engine produces 375 hp @ 5800 rpm and 387 lb-ft of torque @ 4000 rpm.

Notable engine features include:

• Lightweight components such as aluminum-alloy engine block and cylinder heads, which improve performance, fuel efficiency, and emissions control by reducing engine weight and allowing the engine to warm up more quickly.
• Continuously Variable Valve Timing Control System (CVTCS), which varies intake and exhaust valve timing continuously to help improve power, driveability, and fuel economy and reduce emissions.
• Variable Valve Event and Lift (VVEL®), which continuously varies intake valve lift to enhance acceleration, increase fuel efficiency, and reduce exhaust emissions. It works in conjunction with CVTCS.
• Direct Injection Gasoline (DIG), which injects highly pressurized fuel directly into the combustion chamber of each cylinder to enhance engine power, increase fuel efficiency, and reduce exhaust emissions.
• An electronically controlled Multi-Control Valve, which provides flexible management of water temperature to the engine, throttle chamber, transmission fluid cooler and heater, heater, and radiator to help enhance warm-up, cooling, emissions, and fuel economy.

Still no more details......post up when I hear something.  In fact you guys that r googling may know sooner than I.  Not sure.  No time to keep up lol.

It was deemed that contaminants were at play on his roof.

Hope all you guys are well, haven't been on much.  Honestly, business is sooooooo good here in Charlotte.

The new titan V8 will hit the NV model lineup in 2017.  Said to have better gas mileage than the current six.  Expected to be mated to a 7 speed transmission.  It will likely be re tuned.

freedman seats fit great.  They really do OWN the market, not that it's a bad thing.  They make a wonderful product.  Unless your going to buy a factory take out like the gentleman who started this thread did you will end up with a freedman.  They do not install, that is either up to you or an upfitter.  Don't let an upfitter take you for a ride if you pay them for install, should only cost you a few hundred to install.  There are greedy firms out there that will try to talk you into numbers waaaaay higher than that though.

Be careful, if your out of warranty that's one thing, be careful.

I too have not heard of any of the complaints that you have, get it to the dealership.

no pics that I can see

Nissan has been hinting at something for awhile.  We have no idea what and if we will see that something.  An extended makes sense for alot of reasons and our current wheelbase would allow for it technically speaking.  Other somethings, are cab chassis, diesels, etc.

Not to go off topic, but if you needed more wheelbase I'm buying the benz with my own money.  I sold them so maybe I'm partial, but I saw them used everyday, with a TON of miles and am ok with saying that with the way that I know I could take care of it I'd get 500,000 miles out of it.  I regularly walked the lot and would walk someone past an old sprinter that would have anything between 400-600k on it and it was still going.  If neglected there wouldn't be a darn thing working on it (like windows, locks, etc ha), but you'd put the key in give it gas and it'd go.  The FORD or the Dodge I don't believe I would feel comfortable making that statement, too many unknowns.  And yes, it will take money to get it there but engine and tranny you should be ok.  So generally speaking no MAJOR repairs.  I do however have a mechanical background and can wrench so maybe that makes a diff.

Again with that said.  The Nissan is so many light years in front of it's peers in terms of reliability, initial cost, cost of ownership, build quality,warranty, service prices post warranty, ease of replacing the parts if service is needed (truck front end), etc etc etc etc    if the space works, it's a no brainer.    :)

It was sort of difficult to dig up the info, but here are the brake size specs (diameter in inches):

Nissan NV:          Front 14.2:     Rear 14.4 (Both are vented)

Ford Transit:       Front 12.1:     Rear 12.1

GMC Savana      Front 12.8:     Rear 13

Ram ProMaster  Front 11.8:     Rear 11

 

I assumed that no other offered vented brakes. Nissan's brake performance should be far superior to the others.

That's good info!

You will not get grief over doing your own maintenance.  I have many clients that do.  If you have some sort of catastrophic failure and have always done your own maintenance there would need gross negligence and that fact would have to be proven for you to not have coverage during your warranty period.

I completely understand about the restricted size vs some of our peers.   However, it's just a question of how much you want to pay, or quite possibly be inconvenienced for that extra space.  If you can get what you need in the space the NV provides it is a no brainer.

Personally, if you HAD to have the extra space I'd probably go with the sprinter if you could afford it.  It's quieter and rides better than the Ford.  More importantly, there are also soooooo many people that have done what you are looking to do with that vehicle so there is such a wealth of info to help you on your project.

Hey what's up Bates!  Long time no see.  How are sales?

I think the Transit review is interesting.   I understand that it is subjective but I just don't understand the "ride/handling" comment.  I have mentioned this before but we own a Ford store a few blocks down the street as well.  On my test drive we have a horrible railroad crossing in a 45mph zone.  We take it at full speed.  It does not take someone with the mechanical and engineering knowledge to know what impact a body on frame design of the NV has vs the uni body of the Transit when you conduct such a test back to back.  The difference is immediate.  The ride of the NV is in fact 100% one of the largest factors that people do select the NV.  I even tell people, imagine that you do not have any van body behind you, the big NV drives just like a fullsize truck.  Full size trucks these days ride AWESOME.

I could bore you with selling points, statistics, but I think those that have spoken before me have given a lot of good info.  So let me offer some food for thought.  I'll preface by saying there is no perfect product and so of course no one product is the best choice for any one scenario or situation.  However, when you have such an overwhelmingly large majority of buyers in a given segment (albeit bowling balls, envelopes, cars, or in this case a "large" family vehicle) there is probably a reason or reasons behind it.  The NV has perfectly filled a niche they probably were not planning on.  To say that the NV dominates the non commercial large family market is a HUGE understatement.  You will not regret buying one of these for one day, it is a fine product.

To add to that, we know a coastal car here in Charlotte when we see one too.  If care is not take at the beach through regular rinsing the result can be much the same as the northern cars with salt on the road.

My opinion, but undercoatings on the chassis are snake oil.  In my mind, the manufacturer (who keep in mind has an army of robots, engineers, and a mountain of research dollars) can and does provide the most technologically advanced corrosion barrier for their own product.  

Your brother in law you referenced with old mustangs is working with a different animal.  Technology now available was not present when those vehicles were produced.  I'm sure there are things that could be done but I'd hope he doesn't drive a nice restored mustang on salty roads :(

You WILL get rust in any modern car if you are in a salt area,even with steps to stave it off, it's not a matter of if, but when.  I worked for sprinter in Chicago.  I've seen every car known to man on a lift at various ages.  Now down here in the south we know a northern car immediately when we see one.  

maybe start here??   and welcome to the forum

http://nissannvforum.com/topic/276-stillen-stage-2-supercharger/

You'll be just fine.  I'd say use a WD hitch, to me they are worth every penny.

I was going to mention as others have.  You really need to think about where you want to go and purpose your trying to fill here.  I'd imagine in most places of the country, an "offroad" NV means a scratched up NV.  I knew in my f150 in the pacific northwest many many trails I was hitting brush and causing alot of damage and the NV is waaaay larger. 

Just something to think about

I would suggest it's not camber.  Are you suggesting it's diving hard or the brake distribution is just disproportional? In either even I've never driven or heard of an NV exhibiting such symptoms.

Additionally, I find the nv to very stable in winds on the highway.  Especially light winds.  Even an unloaded 1500 pretty much drives like a tank on the highway in my opinion, very stable.

Get it to the dealership if you feel something is wrong, you bought it new?